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Un genio el tipo eh! Un fuera de serie, muy grosso posta. Igual no encontré esas notas que decís :(Originally posted by El Negro 2007 View PostComment
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jejeje mi sillon es mas comodo que eseOriginally posted by El Negro 2007 View Post
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Originally posted by JuanC2003 View Post
estoy " laburando "
despues te busco la nota completa
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/wp...urray-on-F1.pd
Last edited by El Negro 2007; 10-03-2014, 13:04.Comment
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Este Murray, a juzgar por el dibujo, se juntó a fumar con Luigi Collani... jejejeComment
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Gran nota... era la F1 que gustaba.Originally posted by El Negro 2007 View Postestoy " laburando "
despues te busco la nota completa
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/wp...rray-on-F1.pdf
Bastante parecido en diseño al McLaren que puse lo que a el le parecía como EL diseño de un F1, y es lo que era atractivo. Incluso podés ir un poco más atrás y compararlo con las Ferraris de Berger (412T1)... en la epoca alrededor de los 90 (año mas año menos) los alerones traseros eran altos y angostos, tampoco me gustaban mucho.
Es extraño el diseño en la parte media/lateral de los F1, que para el debian ser lo mas parecido posible a un rectangulo, pero la realidad muestra que el diseño (y desde hace largo tiempo) es de formas curvilineas.
Ojo, no digo que un F1 hoy en día no es agradable a la vista, son lindos para mi, facheritos, pero no acompañan al show ni un poquito, y ese diseño, por lindo que sea esteticamente (en algunos casos, en otros se mandan cagada tras cagada) impone las limitaciones que este Gordon Murray explica en esa nota.Comment
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yo tambien tengo telecentro pero no tengo el aparato naaaaaaaaaaOriginally posted by JAYCEE View Post
ahi que verla en vivo asi no vale che jajajajajajComment
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Miren este trabajo que hicieron los ingleses de la BBC sobre las estadisticas historicas de la F1.
Por si quedan dudas que Fangio fue el mas grande de la historia.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/26464195
Schumacher, Fangio, Senna & Vettel: can stats find the greatest?
By Andrew Benson & Lawrence Barretto Chief F1 writer Comments (22)
Who would top the ultimate Formula 1 league table?
BBC Sport has examined all the data from every race between 1950 and 2013 to see if the numbers can provide an answer.
We've chosen four driver-based categories - best win ratio, most points per grand prix start, all-time total number of points scored and best pole per grand prix average - and two nationality-based categories ranked by world titles and wins.
BBC Sport's six categories
- Best win ratio
- Most points per grand prix start
- All-time total number of points scored
- Best pole per grand prix average
- Most world titles ranked by nationality
- Most wins ranked by nationality
While statistics cannot tell the whole story they provide a fascinating insight into driver performance across the decades ahead of the season opener in Melbourne, Australia, on Sunday.
Five-time world champion Juan Manuel Fangio comes out on top in three of the four categories, but there are also surprise findings, such as Lewis Hamilton being 10th on the list of most points per grand prix start.
When broken down by nationality, Britain tops the tables both in terms of race victories and world championships, with Germany a close second.
For the first three tables, the current points system - 25, 18, 15, 10, 8, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 - has been applied to every season. Only drivers with at least 20 grand prix starts have been included.
Here's the top 10 in each category, plus analysis from BBC Sport's F1 chief writer Andrew Benson and links to the complete tables.
No matter how many times you hear them, Juan Manuel Fangio's Formula 1 career statistics are still gobsmacking.1 Fangio J-M ARG 51 24 A win every 2.13 races 2 Ascari A ITA 32 13 2.46 3 Clark J GBR 72 25 2.88 4 Vettel S GER 120 39 3.08 5 Schumacher M GER 331 91 3.64 6 Stewart J GBR 99 27 3.67 7 Prost A FRA 199 51 3.90 8 Senna A BRZ 161 41 3.93 9 Moss S GBR 66 16 4.125 10 Hill D GBR 115 22 5.23
Twenty-four wins in 51 races - every other race, give or take. With four different teams, over seven years. An incredible achievement. All the more so given the man did not come to Europe until he was 39.
It is no wonder that even now, 60 years after his heyday, many still regard the Argentine as the greatest racing driver that ever lived.
But this table also underlines the claim to greatness of Stirling Moss, as well as the importance of machinery in the overall statistics of F1.
Talented and determined though he was, very few experts would pick Damon Hill as one of the 10 greatest drivers in history. But there he is in 10th place, the result of spending the vast majority of his career at Williams during one of their golden eras.
Read the full table.
It's not surprising that this list, formulated by applying the current points system, is remarkably similar to the best-win-ratio list - there are, of course, most points for a win.1 Fangio J-M ARG 51 867 17 2 Ascari A ITA 32 444 13.88 3 Vettel S GER 120 1641 13.68 4 Farina G ITA 33 433 13.12 5 Prost A FRA 199 2472.5 12.43 6 Schumacher M GER 331 3865 11.68 7 Clark J GBR 72 839 11.65 8 Senna A BRA 161 1867.5 11.6 9 Gonzalez J-F ARG 26 301 11.58 10 Hamilton L GBR 129 1477 11.45
But the differences are just as interesting. Lewis Hamilton, 11th on win ratio, is there in 10th place, a reflection of the excellence of his career so far. Likewise the remarkable Sebastian Vettel is even higher in this list, the result of the superlative standards he and Red Bull have set since 2009.
And there are some interesting names on it that rarely feature in F1 'best ofs' - Nino Farina, the first world champion, and Jose Froilan Gonzalez, Ferrari's first winner. They may have been overshadowed by their brilliant 1950s contemporaries Juan Manuel Fangio and Alberto Ascari, but this underlines their quality.
Most striking of all is that Fernando Alonso, who holds the record for most career points based on the traditional scoring system, is not in the top 10 on a points-per-start ratio once all seasons are converted to the current system. He's not far off, though - just outside in 11th.
Read the full table.
A telling list, this. Skewed to the modern era for two reasons - the better reliability of the cars and the increased number of races.1 Schumacher M GER 331 91 3865 2 Prost A FRA 199 51 2472.5 3 Alonso F SPA 215 32 2449 4 Raikkonen K FIN 192 20 1889 5 Barrichello R BRZ 322 11 1880 6 Senna A BRZ 161 41 1867.5 7 Button J GBR 247 15 1697.5 8 Coulthard D GBR 246 13 1694 9 Piquet N Snr BRZ 229 23 1647 10 Vettel S GER 120 39 1641
Alonso's appearance in third behind just Schumacher, whose points from the 1997 season have been included in the table despite him being stripped of his second place in the championship, and Alain Prost underlines the remarkable consistency he has shown in his career. Rubens Barrichello's fifth place is due to the record-breaking length of his time in F1.
And David Coulthard in eighth is a reminder that, although he wasn't on the level of Schumacher and Mika Hakkinen, the now ace broadcaster was a mean old pedaller himself over a long period.
Read the full table.
The natural reaction is to assume that Ayrton Senna would top this but of course there's that man Fangio again.1 Fangio J-M ARG 51 29 One pole every 1.76 starts 2 Clark J GBR 72 33 2.18 3 Ascari A ITA 32 14 2.29 4 Senna A BRZ 161 65 2.47 5 Vettel S GER 120 45 2.67 6 Moss S GBR 66 16 4.13 7 Hamilton L GBR 129 31 4.16 8 Schumacher M GER 331 68 4.87 9 Hill D GBR 115 20 5.75 10 Stewart J GBR 99 17 5.82
Like Jimmy Clark, the Argentine's pole-ratio record is even more remarkable than his wins, which underlines the extent to which each dominated his era.
Sebastian Vettel is the highest modern driver but Lewis Hamilton's position just a couple of places behind him despite the superiority of Vettel's equipment over the last five years underlines why Hamilton is regarded as the out-and-out fastest of his era - and one of the fastest ever.
Read the full table.
The headline here is buried in fifth place. Britain's 10 world titles is a remarkable achievement and one to be celebrated - how many people in the street would know that?1 GBR 14 Stewart J (3), Hill G, Clark J (2), Hawthorn M, Surtees J, Hunt J, Mansell N, Hill D, Hamilton L, Button J (1) 2 GER 11 Schumacher M (7), Vettel S (4) 3 BRZ 8 Piquet N Snr (3), Senna A (3), Fittipaldi E (2) 4 ARG 5 Fangio J-M (5) 5= AUS 4 Brabham J (3), Jones A (1) 5= AUT 4 Lauda N (3), Rindt J (1) 5= FRA 4 Prost A (4) 5= FIN 4 Hakkinen M (2), Rosberg K (1), Raikkonen K (1) 8= ITA 3 Ascari A (2), Farina G (1) 10= USA 2 Hill P (1), Andretti M (1) 10= SPA 2 Alonso F (2)
But comfortably the most successful country, when population is taken into account, is tiny Finland.
Germany ranks highly but this mighty nation owes its position to the remarkable success of just two men. Without Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Vettel it would not feature at all.
Read the full table.
Britain, Germany, Brazil - no surprises in the top three. But France's position in fourth will shock anyone who came to F1 in the last 20 years and knows nothing of what preceded it.1 GBR 227 Mansell N 31 2 GER 145 Schumacher M 91 3 BRZ 101 Senna A 41 4 FRA 79 Prost A 51 5 FIN 46 Hakkinen M 20 6 ITA 43 Ascari A 13 7 AUT 41 Lauda N 25 8 ARG 38 Fangio J-M 24 9 AUS 35 Brabham J 14 10 SPA 32 Alonso F 32
France invented Grand Prix racing and through the 1970s and 1980s provided a long succession of top-drawer drivers, from Francois Cevert and Jean-Pierre Beltoise through Jacques Laffite, Rene Arnoux and Didier Pironi to the brilliant Alain Prost.
But then, as the money that funded their rise dried up, so did the river of talent. And then France lost its race, too. There's something not right about that. Oh, and Spain is in 10th through the efforts of just one man - Fernando Alonso.
Read the full table.
Conclusions
One of the great lessons of this exercise is to underline the dubiousness of using only statistics to back up any argument about who is the greatest racing driver of all time.
After all, which statistics do you use?
Some argue that having the most wins automatically makes Michael Schumacher the greatest ever. But on wins-per-start ratio he is 'only' fifth, behind Juan Manuel Fangio, Alberto Ascari, Jim Clark and Sebastian Vettel.
Equally, racking up points is ultimately what win world championships, so should that list be used instead, even if that approach lacks the visceral appeal of wins?
Whichever statistics you choose, none takes into account machinery - or, to be more precise, drivers doing mesmerising things in sub-standard cars.
Many of the defining moments of F1 history have come as great drivers battled the odds in what was not the fastest car.
Statistics alone cannot explain the remarkable achievements of Gilles Villeneuve in taking two victories at twisty Monaco and Jarama in 1981 in his agricultural Ferrari, or Fernando Alonso in winning three races and almost the title in the fourth or fifth fastest car in 2012.
Statistics are an important part of an argument about the relative merits of different drivers, but they certainly cannot provide a definitive answer.
The fact is, there isn't one. And that's the fun of it.
Statistics compiled by Mike SheppardComment
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Me recago en las computadoras
Juan Manuel Fangio dijo que el mejor fue Jim Clark, que Niki Lauda lo asombro y a Ayrton Senna lo quiso como a nadie
Basta para mi !Comment
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Jajaja lee el final Negro!
"Statistics alone cannot explain the remarkable achievements of Gilles Villeneuve in taking two victories at twisty Monaco and Jarama in 1981 in his agricultural Ferrari, or Fernando Alonso in winning three races and almost the title in the fourth or fifth fastest car in 2012."Comment
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Che, pero las de puntos para mi no cuentan porque los puntajes han variados mucho a lo largo del tiempo...
de paso, que bien me caia Hill
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Ayer en el programa de Adrian Puente de Fox3 pasaron la maniobra de Australia 94 y me volvi a calentar como cuando vi la carrera que veneno la concha de la lora Schumy hijo de mil putas!Originally posted by JAYCEE View Post
Me caia genial a mi encima corria con el casco como el del viejo y con terrible mirada de loco jaja.Comment
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sonara muy mala leche lo mio...pero bueno, justicia poeticaOriginally posted by Darío# View PostComment
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mira yo simplemente la voy a ver un par de carreras para ver como son estos zapatos con ruedas, y para ver que hace el gran kimi y ver si massa repunta un poco.Originally posted by JAYCEE View Post
luego va a ser como mi año pasado, si llego a levantarme el domingo le hecho un ojo sino sigo durmiendo.
ni en las peores epocas del dominio de yumbajer me embolaba tantoComment
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La epoca de schummy fue la mas dificil para mi, me aburria locamente viendo las carreras y teniendo que fumarme a los hinchas de ferrari-schummy-campeon que hacia 2 años veian F1 y me la explicaban jejeje pero todo ciclo tiene su fin, y aun asi no deje de verla esperando el momento donde apareciera alguien que se la pusiera toda al aleman.
Y asi me esperance con Montoya un poco, y un poco con otros, y al final con fernando.Comment
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