Consumo excesivo de aceite Peugeot 207 RC

[Hot-Rod]

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Jaja no tengo mas el 207, tampoco el Megane, ando con los señores de los anillos. Como dijo Ivan si tengo taller...

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ah sos vos.. este post estaba de dedicado a vos, tengo turno para llevarte el auto y me entro esa duda...

[Fuerte]

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Segun los q saben y tienen experiencia.. por decirlo de alguna manera.. los tornillos se bancan una torqueada.. entonces al hacer disteibucion o la tapa (q tmb se hace distri).. se pone todo a nuevo.. todos los fuckings tornillos.. ya ha pasado de q dejan los mismos.. (haybalgunos q son caros mal).. y se vuelve a salir de punto..a pistonear y ese tipo de cosas..

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Eh???? Cambiar la tapa no estás obligado a hacer distribución.
y si un tornillo se estira tanto que se salta un punto, antes tendrías una soplada marca cañón y aceite en todos lados
los bulones en casi cualquier auto que trabajen con angulo se deben cambiar, ya que con el ángulo de fuerza al punto de estiramiento no plástico.

[Sebapower]

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los bulones en casi cualquier auto que trabajen con angulo se deben cambiar, ya que con el ángulo de fuerza al punto de estiramiento no plástico.

+1.
Al estirarse ya te cambia una pendejesima el paso de los filetes y haces pelota la rosca.
No se si con un normalizado en ese acero podras salvarlo capaz.

[Fuerte]

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+1.
Al estirarse ya te cambia una pendejesima el paso de los filetes y haces pelota la rosca.
No se si con un normalizado en ese acero podras salvarlo capaz.

El tema de los normalizados y acero es no barrer la rosca de la tapa, que ahí sí estás en un lindo quilombito

[lanchita_vicio]

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Bueno gente, despues de meditarlo un poco, y despues de haber controlado el consumo (1 lt de aceite en 1100kms). Meti el auto al taller. No puedo venderlo en ese estado. No es para cualquiera asi como esta y no quiero renegar despues. Lo autos que vendi siempre impecables.

Voy a empezar sacando la tapa, a ver con que me encuentro.


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[hachi_roku]

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Bien ahí! No muchos hacen eso..
Conta cuanto te salió la joda después jeje suerte!

[GoncitoRSi]

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Bueno gente, despues de meditarlo un poco, y despues de haber controlado el consumo (1 lt de aceite en 1100kms). Meti el auto al taller. No puedo venderlo en ese estado. No es para cualquiera asi como esta y no quiero renegar despues. Lo autos que vendi siempre impecables.

Voy a empezar sacando la tapa, a ver con que me encuentro.




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Muy buen gesto papa, te felicito, yo creo que el 90% de la gente (y muchisimos del foro que venden "inmaculados") deberia tener la mitad de consideracion de entregar un vehiculo apto y sin engaños

[Ivan's]

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Poca gente actua como vos.. bien ahi

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[nachitooo]

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Qué grande. Si podes saca fotos y contanos que encontras ahí abajo de la tapa!


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[hachi_roku]

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Sale asado? Jajaj

[MikeF]

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Bien loco buen gesto de tu parte no cagar al proximo dueño

[lanchita_vicio]

Re: Consumo excesivo de aceite Peugeot 207 RC

Gente, dejo un poco de info al respecto de los principales puntos a controlar en los THP.

Fuente: www.etuners.gr

Aprovecho para preguntar, justo me llamó mi mecanico para comentarmelo y lo acabo de leer en la info que dejo mas abajo.
Me dijo que averigüe por el tema de los aros de piston. Que el consumo de aceite se puede estar dando por ahi.
Algo de info al respecto?

Saludos


THP engine maintenance

How to keep your THP engine healthy and happy
Keeping your THP engine healthy and happy is a simple process. All you need to do is follow some key points in its maintenance. We hope this guide will help extend your engine’s life.
Prince engine codes covered are EP6-DT, EP6-DTS, EP6-CDTX and EP6-FDTX. Or in the Mini world,N14B16AC and N18B16M0.
Engine electronics

• Oxygen sensors
  The oxygen sensors have a lifespan of 80.000km-120.000km and should be replaced while they are still working well. If not, they cause high fuel consumption and performance problems.
• Pressure sensors
  Prince engines have two pressure sensors: One at the boost pipe and one on the intake manifold. Both are exposed to oil fumes circulating in the intake system, which can eventually foul them. Cleaning them every 30.000km helps extend their life.
• Electronic control unit
  In general, the engine control unit does not cause problems or produce faults by itself. However, there have been many reported cases of generation 1 ECUs (produced up to 2008) losing control of one injector. The engine starts misfiring and rattling when that happens, without any hardware problem. In case something like this happens, the first step is to get the latest ECU firmware update from the manufacturer and see if that solves the problem. In most cases it is just a hardware fault and the ECU needs to be replaced.

Engine hardware

• Hydraulic chain tensioner
  Does your THP engine sound strange in the morning at cold start? Do you hear the chain rattle until the engine warms up and then the sound is gone? The chain tensioner is to blame. It either gets stuck or its spring weakens over time. This results in the chain being very loose until oil heats up and you get good engine oil pressure.
  Have it replaced ASAP. A bad hydraulic tensioner can cause the engine to lose its timing because of the unstable motion it causes at cold start.
• Loss of engine timing
  Loss of engine timing is a very common problem in THP150 and THP156/165 engines. It is not common on THP200. Slipping cam shaft or crank shaft sprockets cause the engine’s timing to go out of phase. This causes a permanent retardation of the camshafts, resulting in high fuel consumption and sluggish engine performance overall. You can check “Long term fuel trims” (aka LTFT) via OBD2 to see if this is happening. If LTFT goes over +10%, there is loss of timing.
• Clogged intake valves
  In direct injection engines the injectors sit in the cylinders. They do not spray the intake valves with fuel, like they do in traditional indirect injection engines. Whatever dirt and oil residues land on the intake valves will stay there, building layers of a thick rubber-like substance. The thicker these layers become they more the inhibit airflow around the valves and the more the engine loses its performance. You can read more on this in detail here.
  This usually happens every 50.000-60.000km and the engine can lose as much as 20% of its power. It is a big headache because this is a mechanical problem: it cannot be detected with engine diagnostics because it does not show up as an error anywhere.
  Remember to clean your intake valves as often as you can. It can extend the life of your engine and make sure it is working properly! There are many ways to do it without removing the cylinder head.
• Thermostat
  Although the thermostat is electronically controlled, its mechanical valve starts to under-perform over time. This leads to longer warm-up periods in the morning. It also leads to the coolant temperature going colder when travelling downhill or off throttle. Both these problems usually become evident after 70.000km. Replacing the unit fixes them.

Ignition

• Ignition coils
  The stock coils will generally not fail. They are very reliable. But make sure you never expose them to humidity or water and they will be good for life. If you wash your engine, remove the coils and let everything dry up completely before re-installing them.
• Spark plugs
  Spark plugs should be kept no more than 30.000km on a completely stock engine. If you have a remap, it is advisable to renew them every 20.000km because you will notice a big drop in performance as you go over the 20.000km limit.
  A good way to check their condition is by measuring spark gap. Stock spark gap is 0.8mm. The moment it goes over 0.9mm, ignition problems start to occur. For engines with a remap, we recommend setting the spark gap to 0.6mm. This will increase spark plug wear but will improve spark power by a lot.
  Always stick to the manufacturers recommended spark plugs. As a rule of thumb, they are all made by NGK and are either made of Platinum (PLZ code prefix) or Iridium (ILZ code prefix). Anything else will just not do as only the heat range of Platinum and Iridium is suitable for turbo engines.
  Useful codes:
  Iridium – ILZKBR7A-8G (Peugeot RCZ THP200, Citroen DS4 Racing THP200, Mini Cooper S Works Edition)
  Platinum – PLZKBR7A-G (stock 150/156/165hp and 175hp)

Engine Oil

• Burnt oil – Oil consumption issues
  Ok, by now you have probably realised that THP engines consume a fair amount of oil. The usual oil consumption average is 1 liter per 5000km. Some engines consume less, some engines consume a bit more. This is very usual for direct injection engines and is no reason to worry. A part of oil consumption comes from the piston rings, a larger part comes from the valve oil seals leaking into the intake.
  When your engine starts to consume oil, do NOT just top it up. Have the oil completely drained and replaced. Then wait and check your oil consumption again.
  Most people just top-up engine oil, when the reason for oil consumption may be the existing oil quality degrading by itself. Bad engine oil quality means shorter life and the oil gets consumed faster.
  If your engine starts to consume 1liter/1000km then you will need to check its compression. Then have the valve seals in the cylinder head replaced and everything checked by a specialist.
  In terms of oil type, the most usual type is 5W-30, fully synthetic. If you live in a country with warm environmental conditions, you can probably use one grade thicker oil without problems. Colder countries can go down to 0W-30 without issues, as long as it is always fully synthetic grades being used.

Fuelling

• The stock fuel pumps, both high and low pressure, are usually good for 100.000km. They wear quickly when used in hot environments and they can be damaged by dirt in the fuel system.
  Some THP low pressure fuel pumps, specially in African versions, come with an external fuel filter that can be replaced. It is a good idea to replace that every 20.000km. European versions have a filter built into the fuel pumps housing and it cannot be replaced.
• Stock injectors are usually good for life, unless the fuel system becomes contaminated with dirt or is left unused with fuel in it for a long period of time. Because they operate from 50bar to 120bar, it is easy for their nozzles to become clogged. While Peugeot and Citroen forbid ultrasonic cleaning, there are modern methods for cleaning and testing them, that work properly.
  Be warned: A clogged injector can lead to a broken piston. It is a good idea to have them checked, measured and cleaned every 60.000km-80.000km.

Turbo

• Cracked exhaust manifold
  Cracks usually appear first inside and then outside the exhaust manifold. Very often we also see cracks develop on the twin scroll split. Eventually the manifold needs to be replaced before parts of it end up in the turbine. There is not much that can be done in terms of maintenance, just replace the exhaust manifold if you see cracks on the outside.
• Cracked turbing housing
  It is very common to find hairline cracks in the turbo’s exhaust housing. The cracks start from the split between the twin scroll geometry and propagate outwards. There is not much that can be done to avoid them, it is just the material that is brittle and prone to cracking after 60.000-80.000km or so. Eventually the whole turbine housing needs to be replaced, or even the whole turbo if the turbine gets damaged.
• Oil consumption because of the turbo
  Sometimes the turbo itself can be the reason for increased oil consumption. You can do a quick check to see if the turbo is losing oil by visual inspection of the compressor outlet pipe (on the cold side) and then the turbine housing on the hot side by removing the downpipe. If there are any signs of oil on either side, the turbo is leaking oil and needs to be serviced by a turbo repair shop. Or replaced with a new one. Do not leave it leaking oil!

These are just a few of the things we look in THP engine maintenance. Most checks are visual, some of them combine diagnostic tools and special tools. All in all, it is fairly easy to keep the engine in good shape.

[MikeF]

Re: Consumo excesivo de aceite Peugeot 207 RC

Medi comprension... igual para mi lo mas probable sea que te lo escupe el turbo... empeza por lo mas simple.

[lanchita_vicio]

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Primeras fotos del desarme. Aceite en el intercooler y turbo


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[AP1600]

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Hay que ver cuanto aceite habia pero en los autos turbo es normal tener algo de aceite en el circuito de admision, tubo bora 1.8T original de fabrica con 50 mil y passat 1.9 TDI con 150 mil km ningun de los dos gastaba aceite entre cambio y ambos cuado desarme tenian aceite en cañeria e intercooler