Como ven el Pais?

[NicolasR]

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Esta circulando que se volvio a escuchar un ruido, lo estan investigando... Hay posibilidades que sea el ARASJ

[Joel_L79]

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Esta circulando que se volvio a escuchar un ruido, lo estan investigando... Hay posibilidades que sea el ARASJ

Una “anomalía hidroacústica” que se registró el mismo día del último contacto con el ARA San Juan, el miércoles pasado.

Fuente: https://www.clarin.com/sociedad/ara-...HyDkKu7xM.html

[marceloDC]

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esperemos que la "anomalia hidroacustica" no haya sido una explosion catastrofica a bordo.

[Joel_L79]

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esperemos que la "anomalia hidroacustica" no haya sido una explosion catastrofica a bordo.

Dios quiera que no, y que los encuentren de una vez y por todas!

No quisiera estar en el lugar de los familiares

[Tornado]

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esperemos que la "anomalia hidroacustica" no haya sido una explosion catastrofica a bordo.

Podria ser lo mas factible lamentablemente.

Una explosion habria impedido que se reaccione o se pueda salir a la superficie.
Si lo pensas el fuego o que entre agua x algun motivo te da aunque sea 1 minuto para cerrar mamparos y ejecutar una salida a la superficie de emergencia. Idem mandar un distress x radio.

El submarino estaria en 1 pieza tambien, ya que no se encontraron manchas de gasoil o aceite, tampoco objetos flotantes.

[marceloDC]

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debe ser por eso que el barco que zarpo ayer con la capsula de salvamento el Skandi Patagonia, cambio de rumbo y encaro para el lugar donde fue el ultimo contacto con el submarino.

[Homero renolero]

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Hay un audio de whastapp de ahora ( 22 hs) que dice que el destructor Almirante Brown y la Corbeta Espora encontraron la radio baliza unida al cable de acero

[Homero renolero]

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Boyarin triangular de color rojo 42 24 6s 58 19 7W

[Homero renolero]

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Terrible nota de Foreign Policy sobre el ARA San Juan

• • Bracesco @Bracesco5 hace 5 horas
    
    
    
    En respuesta a @Bracesco
    Richard Bryant, ex capitán del USS Miami dice que hay una falta de trasparencia en el gobierno argentino al intentar explicar la localización del ARA San Juan.
    
    
    Bracesco @Bracesco 5 hace 5 horas
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    Además desliza diplomáticamente que algo raro puede haber ocurrido como represalia por el hundimiento de pesqueros chinos por parte de la Armada de Argentina.
    
    
    Bracesco @Bracesco 5 hhace 5 horasMás
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    Teoría que para nada adhiero...
    
    
    
    
  
  

[Homero renolero]

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Five Questions About the Missing Argentine Submarine

• 6 HOURS AGO
• CATEGORIES: THE CABLE
• John Kester

A coalition of international forces is frantically searching for Argentina’s ARA San Juan submarine and its 44 crew members, who have not made contact since Nov. 15. The diesel-electric submarine was patrolling off the coast of Patagonia when it reported a fault in its electrical system, according to Argentina’s navy.
In the week since the ARA San Juan went missing, hopes have been raised and dashed by a false alarm that sounds from the submarine might have been heard by the search party as well as a debunked notion that the crew had made calls with an Iridium satellite phone after Nov. 15. A Daily Mail story Wednesday said the U.S. Navy had located the San Juan, but that story’s claim was entirely false, according to U.S. Navy Cmdr. Erik Reynolds, a public affairs officer for the Fourth Fleet.
Here are five questions that address some of what is known about the missing submarine and the search.
What was the submarine doing when it was lost?

Knowing what the submarine was doing and where it was when it lost contact is the key data point from which the search area is determined, according to Richard Bryant, former commander of the USS Miami. There has been a “lack of transparency” on the Argentine government’s part in describing what the vessel was doing, he told Foreign Policy, though he emphasized he was not suggesting “anything nefarious” was occurring.
Instead it might reflect that the government in Buenos Aires was unprepared for dealing with a lost submarine, which is relatively rare in the modern era. Argentina “has never really had to deal with anything like this before,” he said. “Maybe they weren’t really ready for this.”
Clues to the submarine’s operations may be found in the Argentina’s recent history. Last year, its coast guard sank a Chinese ship it claimed was fishing illegally in its territorial waters, BBC News reported. In 2012, Argentina captured two Chinese vessels it claimed were fishing in its exclusive economic zone, according to that report.


Who is participating in the search?


An international search effort is underway including ships from the United States, United Kingdom, Brazil, and Chile as others search for signs of the sub from the sky.
Among the ships is the United Kingdom’s HMS Protector, an ice patrol ship. The United Kingdom’s participation is particularly striking. Argentina’s relationship with the U.K. has has been strained since the 1982 Falklands War, which pitted the two countries against each other over disputed territory in the South Atlantic. British assistance in the search for the submarine marks a significant breakthrough
“The Argentineans will not forget this,” said Riordan Roett, director of the Latin American studies program at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. British assistance “is going to increase the warmth in the relationship” between the two countries, he told FP.


What are rescuers using in the search?


The Department of Defense on Tuesday said the U.S. Navy had sent unmanned underwater vehicles, aircraft, and equipment specially designed for submarine search and rescue.
Underwater submersible devices exist that can attach to the a escape hatch of a submarine and listen for morse code tapped from the submarine on U.S. vessels to coordinate opening the hatch, Bryant said. But without that close proximity, listening for distant morse code in a deep ocean full of noise from marine life and other vessels is extremely difficult.
“It’s not like you can tap on the hull and they’ll hear it 100 miles away,” Bryant said.
Distant sounds heard by search vessels brought initial hope that the ARA San Juan might be located, but Argentina’s navy spokesman later said the noise was unlikely to be coming from the submarine.


How do rescuers know where to search?


Search parties have to conduct an exhaustive linear search akin to mowing a lawn, but there’s “the tyranny of time” and the ARA San Juan is relatively small submarine to find compared to some U.S. vessels, Bryant said.
It is still unknown whether the submarine is afloat, navigating underwater, or on the ocean floor. If the vessel has lost its propulsion capabilities, underwater currents could batter it around the seabed. And rescue teams have contended with heavy winds and large ocean waves, trying to search systematically for a relatively small submarine that might itself be changing positions under its own propulsion or at the mercy of the current.
Large waves have plagued rescue efforts and would also hinder the submarine’s ability to “snorkel” at surface level if it is still afloat, Bryant said. Weather can interfere with rescue crews’ ability to see debris, trash, or bodies, and “would make that stuff disperse” making the search difficult “even in daylight hours,” he said.


How long can the crew of the submarine survive?


The search for the submarine is a fight against time. Managing carbon dioxide levels when submerged pose another risk, and even a functioning battery can only operate for so long.
If the San Juan can stay snorkeling on the surface, it had 90 days worth of food and fuel, the spokesman for Argentina’s navy said. The sub has enough oxygen for roughly a week continuously underwater.
Contact was lost one week ago.
“The longer time goes by without any indications of the submarine,” Bryant told FP, “the harder it becomes to try to locate it.”

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[Se-R]

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Hay un audio de whastapp de ahora ( 22 hs) que dice que el destructor Almirante Brown y la Corbeta Espora encontraron la radio baliza unida al cable de acero

Te juro que si encuentran la radio baliza recien estamos cagados, eso en teoria puede emitir bastante fuerte e incluso directo al satelite de emergencia.

[Se-R]

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Terrible nota de Foreign Policy sobre el ARA San Juan

• • Bracesco @Bracesco5 hace 5 horas
    
    
    
    En respuesta a @Bracesco
    Richard Bryant, ex capitán del USS Miami dice que hay una falta de trasparencia en el gobierno argentino al intentar explicar la localización del ARA San Juan.
    
    
    Bracesco @Bracesco 5 hace 5 horas
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    Además desliza diplomáticamente que algo raro puede haber ocurrido como represalia por el hundimiento de pesqueros chinos por parte de la Armada de Argentina.
    
    
    Bracesco @Bracesco 5 hhace 5 horasMás
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    Teoría que para nada adhiero...
    
    
    
    

Lo que hacia el buque/submarino es secreto de estado, por ende es logico que no le digan a los yankees, a viva voz, si ponchaban pesqueros chinos y demas que pescaban en zona propia e incluso en aguas abiertas, pero no hundieron a ninguno, se habria armado soberano quilombo, aparte si mandan algo para bajar al ARA san juan, justo embocarlos en el medio del viaje bla bla, medio como imposible.

[Se-R]

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El buque pesquero chino que se bajo, fue uno que ataco a prefectura y dentro de la zona exclusiva argentina

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35815444

Repito, dudo muchisimo que china mande algo para bajar justo al submarino bla bla, de hecho si lo hubiese impactado un misil/torpedo, habria restos flotando y es lo que no hay

[Homero renolero]

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Te juro que si encuentran la radio baliza recien estamos cagados, eso en teoria puede emitir bastante fuerte e incluso directo al satelite de emergencia.

Es automona o funciona con la energia del submarino?????????????????????

[Joaqqo']

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En teoría, si no tuvieron chance de renovar el aire, ya están todos muertos. Por lo que escuche +/- 7 días y tienen tubos de oxígeno chicos.
Desesperante.

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