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  • consulta aceite ablande y ablande

    como va gente? les hago una consulta ya que mire el buscador pero no encontré nada muy especifico..

    que aceite y tipo de aceite recomiendan para el ablande de un motor y cuanto tiempo usarlo? (en este caso particular es un vag 2.0 20v turbo pero la consulta es mas bien general)

    después la otra consultaba directamente al ablande porque leí demasiados polos opuestos de que es lo que hacen jaja.. según sus experiencias.. cual es la "mejor" forma de asentar el motor? conviene hacerlo aspirado o con el turbo baja/media presion?

    desde ya muchas gracias!
    Last edited by Miki_cba; 08-05-2018, 12:56.

  • #2
    Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

    tipos de aceite, si el motor esta original, el que dice el manual.
    si lo mandaste a rectificar y los armaron con otras luces, confiaría en el que me diga el rectificador.

    el ablande siempre me dio curiosidad jaja

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    • #3
      Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

      Muchas veces escuche q para asentar se usan aceites con pocos aditivos antifriccion y demases yerbas para q justamente se acomode todo adentro pero ya en los Motores mas nuevos y turbo no tengo idea como sera.

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      • #4
        Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

        Muchas gracias.. alguna idea mas? Jaja

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        • #5
          Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

          Gran misterio el aceite para ablande, mucho verso en el tema. pero lo de Borboco suena lógico.

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          • #6
            Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

            Primero lean esto (entero, no sean pajeros):

            http://www.widman.biz/uploads/aceites.pdf

            Página 21 y 22, unas cosas sobre el ablande que me parecen pertinentes.

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            • #7
              Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

              Originally posted by gonzalo View Post
              Primero lean esto (entero, no sean pajeros):

              http://www.widman.biz/uploads/aceites.pdf

              Página 21 y 22, unas cosas sobre el ablande que me parecen pertinentes.
              Lo leí todo, buena información, gracias por compartir.

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              • #8
                Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

                Originally posted by gonzalo View Post
                Primero lean esto (entero, no sean pajeros):

                http://www.widman.biz/uploads/aceites.pdf

                Página 21 y 22, unas cosas sobre el ablande que me parecen pertinentes.
                muy bueno!! muchas gracias por el aporte!
                Last edited by Miki_cba; 09-05-2018, 22:59.

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                • #9
                  Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

                  no lo pude ver...
                  segun lo que me enseñaron no hay aceite para el famoso "ablande".. hay que poner el que se va a usar con el funcionamiento normal del auto... en cuanto al ablande en si.. lo mismo, en las condiciones en las que se va a usar "normalmente" (si vale la frase) de ahi que los motores de carrera se los pone a "x" regimen en el banco de pruebas... desde ya que cada uno tiene su libro pero me parece logico acentar de la forma que se va a usar...

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                  • #10
                    Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

                    Originally posted by ro128 View Post
                    no lo pude ver...
                    segun lo que me enseñaron no hay aceite para el famoso "ablande".. hay que poner el que se va a usar con el funcionamiento normal del auto... en cuanto al ablande en si.. lo mismo, en las condiciones en las que se va a usar "normalmente" (si vale la frase) de ahi que los motores de carrera se los pone a "x" regimen en el banco de pruebas... desde ya que cada uno tiene su libro pero me parece logico acentar de la forma que se va a usar...
                    Un pibe que se armo un sirocco forjado (no se bien la preparacion solo habia puesto eso, se lo armo hernan tabare inyeccion) puso que tenia que hacerle 1000km y despues si le podia dar murra, es depende los motores y/o uso el famoso ablande? por ej los que banquean y van directo a pista como este que lo tiene que rutear

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                    • #11
                      Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

                      Originally posted by gonzalo View Post
                      Primero lean esto (entero, no sean pajeros):

                      http://www.widman.biz/uploads/aceites.pdf

                      Página 21 y 22, unas cosas sobre el ablande que me parecen pertinentes.
                      EXcelente articulo,lo lei todo y me dio verguenza cuando nombra la Arg

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                      • #12
                        Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

                        Los armadores del norte usan a full

                        Las vas a encontrar como break-in oil

                        por ejemplo esta

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                        Last edited by Huki05; 20-05-2018, 20:22.

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                        • #13
                          Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

                          Acá te dejo un artículo adicional del tema

                          http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2014...ly-lube-needs/

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                          • #14
                            Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

                            una vez que sepas que esta todo bien, hay que darle...

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                            • #15
                              Re: consulta aceite ablande y ablande

                              no pierdas tiempo y dale como robado, si se explota es porque algo mal habia jaja

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