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  • #46
    Re: 21 años.

    Originally posted by Gerardo View Post
    Prost es la parte que está viva de Senna ya que Ayrton no le quiso ganar al resto, busco aplastar al mejor y ese era el Profesor, esa combinación fue única.
    Sin duda alguna, el "Profesor" era el mejor hasta q llego el; dominaba a voluntad....llego y despues de su era en Lotus....llego su DOMINIO por 4 años; y mostro q era el MEJOR cuando le gano alguna carrera a los Williams 92 y 93...Ayrton trascendio TODO incluso a los seguidores de su mas acerrimo rival. Mira como fue el destino...justo en IMOLA estaba Prosst, quien se puede olvidar de: " Say to my FRIEND Alain, we all missed you so much...."

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    • #47
      Re: 21 años.

      La foto con Fangio me emocionó. Dos grandes de la historia que ahora deben estar juntos.

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      • #48
        Re: 21 años.

        No se porque... pero despues de su partida deje de ver F1.
        Al igual que cuando fallecio Pato Morresi... me enoje tanto que no mire TC por un año.
        Son cosas que hace uno cuando es chico, vaya a saber porque.

        Pilotos asi, jamas se van a olvidar.

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        • #49
          Re: 21 años.

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          • #50
            Re: 21 años.

            Creo que yo tambien lo hubiera odiado a en ese entonces pendejo de mierda del aleman.






            En el fondo, yo creo que se querian...

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            • #51
              Re: 21 años.

              Originally posted by Gerardo View Post
              A los que discuten sobre la muerte de Ayrton, se le clavó la barra de dirección arriba del ojo, si iba 2cm mas alto le pegaba en el casco.
              Hay fotos que no pienso poner, fue así, solo voy a decir que el rodado 28 de Williams bien se merece andar arrastrandosé como una víbora en lo que le queda de vida.

              Y si buscan fotos morbosas, miren esta, que hubiera sido...

              Que barra de direccion???, la que habian soldado y se "corto"??




              Enviado desde Levas VHF, San Martin
              El ignorante aprende, el pelotudo muere como tal...

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              • #52
                Re: 21 años.

                Nadie mejor que el Doctor Sid, para describirlo en vida
                En el diario Clarin a pagina completa , Mercedes Benz Argentina puso un dia " Si esucha un trueno no piense que va a llover , es Fangio en el Cielo, probando un auto Mercedes Benz "

                A veces pienso , todavia ya de grande, que el Universo guarda lugares cercanos y hermosos para quienes necesitamos cerca y ya no estan
                En algun trueno, siempre imagino a Senna y la Pole de Jerez
                Saludos a todos a los que esos Formula 1 todavia nos ponen la piel de gallina

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                • #53
                  Re: 21 años.

                  Originally posted by LevasVHF View Post
                  Que barra de direccion???, la que habian soldado y se "corto"??




                  Enviado desde Levas VHF, San Martin
                  El ignorante aprende, el pelotudo muere como tal...

                  fueron 3 daños muy severos
                  y aun el corazon le latia.....
                  no importa nada ya, la discusion quedo afuera....
                  solo el supo que paso, reacciono a tiempo, y al auto , de esa, lo pudo salvar

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                  • #54
                    Re: 21 años.

                    Originally posted by LevasVHF View Post
                    Que barra de direccion???, la que habian soldado y se "corto"??




                    Enviado desde Levas VHF, San Martin
                    El ignorante aprende, el pelotudo muere como tal...
                    en realidad creo que gerardo cuando habla de la barra que se le clavo en el craneo, habla de una parte de suspension delantera, esa fue la que lo mato, no la barra de direccion que "se corto"

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                    • #55
                      Re: 21 años.

                      Murio por el motivo que dijo Gerardo y previo a eso reacciono como explico el Negro. Si leen las pericias se dan cuenta que hasta el ultimo instante de su vida fue el mejor arriba de un auto.

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                      • #56
                        Re: 21 años.

                        Originally posted by marceloDC View Post
                        en realidad creo que gerardo cuando habla de la barra que se le clavo en el craneo, habla de una parte de suspension delantera, esa fue la que lo mato, no la barra de direccion que "se corto"

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                        • #57
                          Re: 21 años.

                          Originally posted by Gerardo View Post
                          A los que discuten sobre la muerte de Ayrton, se le clavó la barra de dirección arriba del ojo, si iba 2cm mas alto le pegaba en el casco.
                          Hay fotos que no pienso poner, fue así, solo voy a decir que el rodado 28 de Williams bien se merece andar arrastrandosé como una víbora en lo que le queda de vida.

                          +1000

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                          • #58
                            Re: 21 años.

                            ... But before the marshals could get to Senna and the first medical car had reached the scene, his head moved forward in the cockpit and unknowing viewers were encouraged that the champion was intact. Another man, sitting thousands of miles away in Balcarce, Argentina, knew different. Five-time, world champion, 82-year-old Juan Manuel Fangio knew the outcome when he saw the spasm, the sign of a massive head injury. He switched off his television. He said later: “I knew he was dead.”

                            ... As Professor Sid Watkins approached Tamburello in his medical car, he somehow knew it was Senna who had crashed. Watkins found him slumped in the Williams. The doctor from the first intervention car was already with him and cradling his head, aware from the condition of his helmet and seeping blood that he had suffered a massive head injury. The two men looked at each other, unsure of what they would see when they got the helmet off. Watkins frantically cut the chin strap and lifted the helmet off gently, whilst others supported his neck. Blood poured out. His forehead was a mess and, more worryingly, blood and brain matter was seeping from his nose.

                            Watkins appraised him. Senna’s eyes were closed and he was deeply unconscious. Instinctively Watkins forced a tube into his mouth to obtain effective airflow. Watkins shouted for blood – his team already knew Senna’s blood type: B+.

                            By then the other race cars had stopped going around and the crowd was silent. Senna looked serene as Watkins did what he had to, and raised his eyelids. He remembered: “It was clear from his pupils that he had had a massive brain injury. I knew from seeing the extent of his injury that he could not survive.”
                            The medics lifted him out of the car. The blood was still flowing. They lay him on the ground, as marshals held up sheets to shield him from view. Watkins said: “As we did he sighed and, though I am totally agnostic, I felt his soul departed at that moment.” ....

                            When Sid Watkins arrived at Maggiore, he conferred with the doctors who had been treating Senna. They had ordered an immediate brain scan. It merely confirmed that Senna had no chance of surviving the accident. Watkins was told Senna had multiple fractures of the base of the skull where his head had smashed into the carbon-fibre headrest of the monocoque. What had likely happened was that the right front wheel had shot up after impact like a catapult and violated the cockpit area where Senna was sitting. It impacted the right frontal area of his helmet, and the violence of the wheel’s impact pushed his head back against the headrest, causing the fatal skull fractures. A piece of upright attached to the wheel had partially penetrated his helmet and made a big indent in his forehead. In addition, it appeared that a jagged piece of the upright assembly had penetrated the helmet visor just above his right eye. Any one of the three injuries would probably have killed him. The combination of them all made it certain. Only Senna’s extremely high level of fitness meant he had momentarily survived. He suffered brain death on impact but the lack of any physical injury to the rest of his body meant that his heart and lungs continued to function. The neurosurgeon who examined Senna said that the circumstances did not call for surgery because the wound was generalised in the cranium. But an X-ray of the damage to his skull and brain indicated he would not last long, even with a machine maintaining his vital functions. Watkins looked at the monitors of blood pressure, respiration and heart rate: the end was near.

                            ... Even as they spoke, at Maggiore hospital electrical brain tests confirmed that Senna was brain dead and being kept alive only by artificial means. Senior doctors conferred about the press bulletin promised for 6 o’clock. They did not want to raise any false hopes, nor could they say he was dead, because he wasn’t. By law, the machine could not be turned off. They compromised with an announcement saying Senna was clinically dead.

                            At 6:05pm Dr Fiandri, her voice shaking at the gravity of her announcement, told reporters that Senna was clinically dead. He was still connected, she said, to the equipment maintaining his heartbeat. The news led the early-evening news programmes. In Britain an hour behind Europe, the news bulletins waited for a more final verdict.

                            ... At 6:37pm Senna’s heart stopped again and Dr Fiandri decided not to try and restart it. Keeping a man who was effectively dead artificially alive was ethically doubtful. She said enough was enough. At 6:40pm, Dr Fiandri pronounced Ayrton Senna dead, but said the official time of death would be 2:17pm, when he had impacted the wall and his brain had stopped working.
                            Last edited by El Negro 2007; 02-05-2015, 11:47.

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                            • #59
                              Re: 21 años.

                              Originally posted by Maxxi View Post
                              En el fondo, yo creo que se querian...

                              si, yo creo que tambien
                              admiracion, amor y odio, estan muy ahi unas de otras

                              Next, Senna filmed an in-car lap of Imola for French television channel TF1, where he greeted Prost, by then a pundit on the channel: "A special hello to our dear friend Alain. We all miss you, Alain." Prost said that he was amazed and very touched by the comment

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                              • #60
                                Re: 21 años.

                                Originally posted by LevasVHF View Post
                                Si, es lo que dicen, pero lo que digo, lo digo como piloto, en una bomba semejante de lo unico que te agarras es del volante y tranquilamente la columna se pudo haber roto en el palo, ademas si miras el video ves las correcciones en la primer parte de la curva, y despues tiende como a seguir derecho corrigiendo la sobrevirancia, esa sobrevirancia se ve reflejada en la camara on board, si se cortaba la columna en medio de la curva la camara on board se hubiese movido al lugar donde estaba en plena recta y la camara siguio corrida por la fuerza centrifuga producto de la maniobra, o sea, cuando comienza el despiste no iba en una linea recta, es un dato que te da el efecto que produce la suspension de la camara on board.

                                Victor, sabes cuento te respeto y aprecio tus comentarios
                                En un juicio, Michele Alboreto, quien tampoco esta mas entre nosotros, no opinaba igual....

                                An analysis of the onboard camera video was submitted by
                                Cineca, which tracked the movement of the steering wheel during the race. Having rotated in a fixed arc during the previous laps, during the final seconds a yellow button on the wheel moved several centimetres away from its normal trajectory, with the steering wheel tilting in its own plane, indicating a breaking steering column.[37] Williams introduced its own video to prove the movement was normal in which David Coulthardmanhandled an FW16B steering wheel, the effort required to deflect the wheel termed as "quite considerable". Michele Alboreto testified that the steering wheel movement was abnormal, stating that the video "proves that something was broken in Senna's Williams. No steering wheel moves a few centimetres."

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